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The next scheduled meeting for the Seattle Parks and Recreation Skate Park Advisory Committee (SPAC) will be next Monday March 14.  The meeting will be in the usual location in the Parks and Recreation Building located at 100 Dexter North, Seattle, WA 98109.  We are starting the meeting at 6PM. The current draft of the meeting agenda is pasted below.

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS MEETING WILL INCLUDE A REVIEW OF THE DESIGN FOR THE SKATE SPOT (APPROXIMATELY SIZE OF SEASK8) THAT IS GREEN LIT FOR THE HUBBARD HOMESTEAD PARK, LOCATED DIRECTLY NORTH OF THE TARGET AT NORTHGATE.  ADDITIONAL FUNDS HAVE BECOME AVAILABLE TO DESIGN/CONSTRUCT A SKATEPARK IN THIS LOCATION (COMMUNITY STOOD BEHIND INTEGRATION OF A SKATE DOT DURING THE PARK-WIDE DESIGN MEETINGS BUT FUNDING WAS QUESTIONABLE).   NEWLINE SKATEPARKS (DESIGNED THE SEASK8 PLAZA) WAS SELECTED TO DEVELOP THE DESIGN AND THEY HAVE DEVELOPED A CONCEPT THAT THEY WILL PRESENT AT THE MEETING TO GET FEEDBACK.  THIS CONCEPT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND DISCUSSED WITH A FEW OF US AND WE THINK EVERYONE WILL BE STOKED.  PLEASE ATTEND TO PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK.  THIS DESIGN WILL NOT HAVE THE TYPICAL “3 PUBLIC MEETING DESIGN” PROCESS SO THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK TO THE DESIGNER.  HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE.


Skate Park Advisory Committee Meeting Agenda – March 14, 2011

*Meeting will begin @ 6PM sharp*

1.      Approval of Agenda

2.      Public Comments (limited to 2 minutes per individual)

3.     Hubbard Homestead Skatespot Design Review

4.    Delridge Skatepark Update – Construction Update

5.      Skate Dot Updates – John and Summit, Crown Hill, and 9th Avenue NW

6.      Jefferson Park Skatepark Update

7.      River City Skatepark Update – Opened for Business (736 S. Cloverdale / 98116)!

8.      Lower Woodland Update – Outreach to SPD

9.      Dahl Playfield Skate Dot Update

10.  SeaSk8 Skatepark Update

11.  Sandel Playfield Update

12.  Maple Leaf Skatepark

13.  Lake City Skatespot

14.  SLAG Update

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The next scheduled meeting for the Seattle Parks and Recreation Skate Park Advisory Committee (SPAC) will be next Monday January 10. The meeting will be in the usual location in the Parks and Recreation Building located at 100 Dexter North, Seattle, WA 98109. We are starting the meeting at 6PM. The current draft of the meeting agenda is pasted below.

Skate Park Advisory Committee Meeting Agenda – January 10, 2011

*Meeting will begin @ 6PM sharp*

1. Approval of Agenda

2. Public Comments (limited to 2 minutes per individual)

3. Delridge Skatepark Update – Contractor Specifications and Updated Construction Schedule

4. Skate Dot Updates – John and Summit, Crown Hill, and 9th Avenue NW

5. Jefferson Park Skatepark Update

6. River City Skatepark Update – Opened for Business (736 S. Cloverdale / 98116)!

7. Lower Woodland Update – Lights ;-(

8. Northgate Redevelopment Update

9. Dahl Playfield Skate Dot Update

10. SeaSk8 Skatepark Update

11. Sandel Playfield Update

12. Maple Leaf Skatepark

13. Lake City Skatespot

14. SLAG Update

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Screengrab of a hot nose manual from neighbor's reference video on YouTube.

Summit and John is still bugging the people living around it.  Cops are getting called daily and the noise is driving people nuts.  There are two personal injury lawyers stationed across the street who have put Seattle Parks “on notice” for possible pedestrian conflicts.  Who wants to bet that they’re hoping someone gets hurt?

First off, I really empathize with the one neighbor that came to the SPAC meeting last week, and the rest of the folks who are being impacted by this change of atmosphere in their neighborhood.  I also think that based on all the letters I’ve seen, and the conversations that I’ve been a part of, these neighbors have all really taken the high road when it comes to communicating their frustration.  Maybe it’s the location, and perhaps I’m just used to the suburban anti-skater lynch mob approach to these issues, but these folks are handling this with class and I commend them for that.

I’ll cut to the issue from my perspective, which is notoriously non-political and usually more straightforward than people prefer.

I was the one who authored the original skatedot concept that inspired the city to build this feature and hopefully others.  There were a few things in that concept paper that didn’t happen with this project and I think we’re seeing some negative end results because of it.

In the paper I stated:  “Skatepark advocates could help design the layout of walkways, assist with bench placement, identify prime locations for skateboarding, and suggest ways to avoid conflicts between skateboarders and other park users.”  This simply didn’t happen.  The problem here is that unlike a full-blown skatepark project, the Parks department and the project designers didn’t employ a skatepark expert or involve the SPAC in the design discussions.  It’s one thing to try and avoid talking to another contractor to control costs, and I believe that Parks felt like they were acting in good faith, but it’s unfortunate that they didn’t involve the SPAC more in the design discussions around feature placement and orientation.  I think we could’ve identified some of the pedestrian conflict issues for them.

Believe me, this is a hot issue for us right now because Seattle Parks is working overtime to hire another unqualified contractor to build the Delridge skatepark.  They consistently overlook the considerable effort that SPAC members have been putting in behind the scenes to help them avoid pitfalls on these projects.  I think John and Summit is a great example of what happens when they think they can go it alone and not get input from skaters and use qualified specialty contractors, even if it’s just for a few hours of consulting.

Another thing that these neighbors need to consider is that there likely would’ve been skateboarding in this location regardless of whether or not there was a sanctioned spot built here.  The fact that it is a sanctioned spot actually gives them much more of a platform and leverage to air their concerns.  You can’t skatestop the planet, and skateboarding is not a crime in itself.  The silver lining here is that this was a deliberate move to integrate skateboarding into a public space, and so the discussion is about that and Seattle Parks is listening.  The unfortunate thing is that this type of integrated feature is new to Seattle Parks and they’re still finding their way.  The neighbors at Summit and John are unfortunately experiencing the pain of being on the bleeding edge.

That said, there are many ways to design skateboarding out of a public space through material selection and directing the flow of park users.  Honestly, I think the comments I’ve read about the park’s design being flawed are right on in this area.  It pits the skateboarders against the pedestrians, which is not good for skateboarders either, believe me when I say that.  We want these features to be successful, and the neighbors need to be a part of that success or these much-needed skate spots won’t fly elsewhere.

The comments some of the neighbors are making about the park being too small aren’t necessarily on point though they hint at something I think makes sense, which is that the feature may be out of scale for the space they put it in.  A smaller feature in that same space would’ve required less speed, which means less run-up and landing area, and perhaps less pedestrian-skater conflict potential.  Again, this is a design consideration that the SPAC could’ve helped with but we weren’t invited to participate.

The noise is definitely a negative side effect that’s close to my heart as someone who has spent a lot of time in nature as a field recordist, and myself have lived across the street from some pretty offensive sources of errant noise pollution.  I empathize.  But here’s the hard truth about that:  this noise is only offensive to these people because it’s a new addition to the already overwhelming amount of noise pollution in their environment.  I’ve done several noise surveys at urban skateparks, and the noise from the skatepark is always equal to or less than other sources like car alarms, overhead air traffic, city busses, and even the human voice.  I think context is everything here.  These people are irritated by the skateboarders, so they’re focused on them and the noise they create.  This noise is new, and it sucks.  There’s no doubt about that.  But these people are living in a very dense area – they say this themselves – and they need to recognize that saddling these park users with the burden of an increasing noise pollution problem in their neighborhood isn’t necessarily fair.

Finally, I realize that these folks may actually prefer this alternative at this point, but skateboarders actively using the space will drive away activities like drug dealing, public drinking, and other types of anti-social behavior.  Things actually could be worse.

In some of the letters I’ve read I have seen some attempts to use skaters as proxies for latent fears about some of these other serious social issues, and I want to state clearly and loudly that we won’t tolerate being painted as criminals in an effort to deal with this issue.  This is about the valid use of public space, integrating the needs of park users in a way that works for everybody, and avoiding injury and conflict.  We are totally engaged in the process to make this work and welcome any and all opinions/discussion around those issues.

Again, I am just one person with an opinion here and I recognize that my opinions may not be super popular with the people being negatively affected by this new skatedot.  I understand why that’s the case.  I just hope that in the same way I can empathize and understand their arguments, they can also see the other side of the argument and at least try to understand the bigger picture here.

Here’s what I recommend:

  • Skaters using the park after hours is unacceptable and neighbors need to continue to call the police as soon as they see skaters aren’t respecting the park hours.
  • Skaters behaving like idiots is also not acceptable and neighbors should also call the police immediately if they see anything illegal happening in the park, regardless of who’s doing it.
  • Stay engaged with the Parks Department and continue to reach out to the Skatepark Advisory Committee.  Parks is listening, and seem to be responding to these concerns.
  • Avoid suggesting that this is not the place for skateboarding, but some other place is.  We hear that in every neighborhood, and it’s not a workable approach.  There are skateboarders in every neighborhood, and while this implementation has issues, there is a way to provide something for these park users that works.  We just haven’t gotten there yet.
  • Talk to the skateboarders.  Has anyone actually spoken to them?

Here’s what the SPAC is doing:

  • We are talking with the Parks Department.  They are sharing the complaints with us and we’re aware of the issues.
  • We’re reaching out to the skate community in Seattle and getting the word out that skaters need to respect this spot if they want more of them to be built.
  • Parks has not asked for our input on how to mitigate these issues but they have sent us the list of mitigations that they are putting into place and they seem reasonable to us.  However, I agree with some comments that a sign is probably a waste of time and resources.  Again, the best thing to do is stay on top of the enforcement situation and that will establish a pattern of behavior.

This is going to get worse before it gets better.  Parks is going to skatestop the rest of the park, and put up some signs.  They usually go soft whenever someone starts threatening lawsuits regardless of whether or not they have any foundation for the threat, so it will probably end up being a fight to keep skateboarding as part of this park.  Yay.

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Yesterday I lied.

I said you’d be the first to know when I heard more news, but the WSB posted something yesterday (it’s worth reading, the comments are great).  To be honest, I was too frustrated and angry to write anything cogent.  I’ve been working within the Seattle public process as a volunteer skatepark advocate for almost 9 years now, and it’s definitely been getting better over the last few years.  Seattle Parks has gotten into the habit of building these parks on their own accord, which is a complete turnaround from trying to remove the Ballard Bowl and not replace it with anything.  But this recent Delridge stuff, my friends, is an unfortunate return to the classic Seattle Parks of 2004.  When autocratic decisions came from out of nowhere, seemed to conflict with previous Parks decisions, communication was vague, and somehow you always felt like you were getting schemed on.

Here’s the letter we got in response, for those who missed it:

From: Kevin Stoops
Seattle Parks Department

Earlier today we decided to reject all bids for the Delridge Skatepark and rebid this project later this year or early next year for mid-2011 construction.

This decision has been reached after a review of the very restrictive supplemental bidder qualifications that were issued by addendum to the original project requirements.  These focused on volume of work rather than  specific construction requirements to complete the work, and are unnecessarily restrictive.  the project will be re-bid with clearer contractor qualification requirements outlined in the construction documents.  The design of the skatepark will not be changed.

Further, issuance of a construction contract involving excavation and concrete work at this time of year will be problematic was we are now ready to enter a wet rainy period for some time.  The construction window for such concrete work is already rapidly coming to an end for 2010 and an extremely wet winter is forecast.   Starting construction in the face of such would likely lead to unintended site costs due to wet conditions.

My first observation is that Mr. Stoops is standing behind the position that the qualifications were “very restrictive”.  It’s very telling that the word “restrictive” is even being used here.  These qualifications are only restrictive if you’re an unqualified contractor or a Parks Department that’s trying to hire one.  It’s an “empowering” set of qualifications for skateboarders, and skatepark design/build artisans.  It’s “defensive” for anyone who’s skated a park that’s been built by an unqualified builder.  It’s “comforting” for someone who is concerned about the quality of the product that their tax dollars are going toward.  The use of that word sheds light on where the Parks Department is coming from on this issue, that’s for sure.

We also sent Mr. Stoops five examples from other cities that were almost identical to the Delridge RFQ.  That should’ve at least been proof that these “restrictions” were not unprecedented.  We sent him a case study from one city where they wished they had “restricted” themselves to a more qualified contractor because their park is now needing repair less than 3 years after it was built.  We also detailed in a very long letter, all of the reasons why skateboarders feel the qualifications are warranted and fair.  I’m not sure why our opinions aren’t being addressed, but they aren’t, most certainly not in his written response.  I understand why these people need to be careful with what they say in public statements, but to not address the very well thought out case that we presented to them leaves too many questions unanswered, and leaves a group of passionate volunteers feeling grossly dismissed.

It’s also somewhat puzzling that he refers to a lack of “specific construction requirements” as another reason for this move, as the SPAC has consistently been told by Parks that we were not allowed to use specific construction requirements because it was too restrictive.  We’ve repeatedly tried to include more specific language in these RFQ documents, and have always been told that those types of requirements were rejected by the legal staff and higher-ups.  The existing and now-controversial qualification language is a product of several rounds of more specific language being rejected by Seattle Parks as inappropriate.  Every single RFQ that I’ve seen go through internal Seattle Parks iteration gets less specific, not more.

Hopefully these new “clearer” requirements will shine some light on what exactly is kosher when it comes to these requirements, because right now it’s completely unclear what is and what is not appropriate at this point.

But the subject of the second paragraph of Mr. Stoops’ letter is what you should really be worried about: schedule.

Is the Parks Department trying to torpedo the skatepark?

The issue of construction costing more during Winter doesn’t make sense, especially if they want to hire Sahli.  Sahli built Lower Woodland over the exact same seasonal timeframe, and even though it took forever, there were very few overruns if any.  I’m not sure what “unintended site costs” he’s referring to, but he only needs to look at Seattle Parks’ last Sahli skatepark project to refute his own assertion.

More worrisome is the bigger budget concerns throughout the city.  The City Council and Mayor are in the midst of a painful budgeting process right now that’s producing some unsavory “solutions”, like laying off librarians and shutting down wading pools to pinch pennies.  Parks staff are already taking furlow days, and sources say that some Parks folks have already been notified of impending layoffs.  So I’m sure it’s irritating to someone who’s facing these difficulties on a daily basis to hear some skateboarders advocate for spending $70K on quality craftsmanship.  But delaying the project essentially leaves money lying around, increasing the risk to the project itself, and threatening a much larger investment of everyone’s time, community effort, and the future value of having a skatepark in a community that really needs it.  So in essence, to save $70K, Mr. Stoops is risking the entire budget of the project ($750K + volunteer time, effort, delays, etc…) by allowing it to linger around without a contractor for another 4-5 months.

In the bigger picture, can this project really suffer another delay?  My first post about this project was on June 5th, 2008.  Since then the funding has disappeared and reappeared once already.  So based on Mr. Stoops’ estimated timeline, this project will have taken over three years to complete, and this is in the most supportive community a Seattle skatepark has ever been introduced to.  I truly think the bigger picture is lost on people like Mr. Stoops and the people he reports to.  Sometimes they seem to lose sight of the impact they’re having on real people’s lives.  This isn’t just another project on a planning roadmap to the kids who live near the site and came to all the meetings.  This is something they go to sleep at night thinking about.   A kid that was in 9th grade when the first meeting happened will almost be graduating from high school when the park is finished.

That. Is. Broken.

The estimated date we got back for rescheduling, re-budgeting, and re-writing the qualifications is October 25th.  Watch this space for more details.

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So, it turns out that Sahli did not meet the qualifications outlined in the Delridge RFQ.

Parks was about to award the job to him, but we pointed out that three of the parks they submitted were built prior to the timeframe that was in the qualifications.  They re-checked their facts, realized that they had made a few miscalculations (oops!) and they disqualified Sahli.  But instead of awarding the project to the lowest (actually) qualified bidder, Parks has decided to lower the qualifications and re-bid the project.  It seems as though Seattle Parks really wants Tom Sahli to build our next skatepark, regardless of the legal process that skateboarders have been trying like hell to work within.

So we wrote a letter to Kevin Stoops, the man who gets to make the decision, with the hope that we can help him understand why it’s important to hire a qualified contractor to build a specialized facility.  Here it is in all it’s glory.

Enjoy!

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Kevin Stoops

Seattle Parks Department

Dear Mr. Stoops,

This letter is regarding the qualification criteria that was presented to bidders in the Delridge Skatepark RFQ Amendment #1, and why Seattle skateboarders feel it’s important to employ sufficient qualification requirements when evaluating selection of a contractor for any of Seattle’s skateparks.

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Just a reminder that there’s a SPAC meeting tonight.  The agenda is below:

Skate Park Advisory Committee Meeting Agenda – May 10, 2010

*Meeting will begin @ 7pm sharp*

1. Approval of Agenda

2. Public Comments (limited to 2 minutes per individual)

3. Delridge Skatepark Update

4. Dahl Playfield Skate Dot Update

5. SeaSk8 Skatepark Update

6. River City Skatepark Update

7. Lower Woodland Update and Application for Lights

8. Northgate Redevelopment Update

9. John and Summit and 9th Avenue NW Skate Dot Update

10. Jefferson Park Skatepark Update

11. Sandel Playfield Miniramp

12. Maple Leaf Skatepark

13. Lake City Skatespot

14. SLAG Update

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Photo courtesy of Skaters for Public Skateparks

Photo: SPS

Every once in a while (what I presume is) a BMX rider will send me an email, or post some asinine message in the comments about how skaters are (insult X) and how totally rad BMX riders should just be allowed to ride in Seattle skateparks.  They’re always rife with misspellings, insults, and in reality are probably written by young kids which is fine.  At least I hope so.

Anyway, I finally got a level-headed letter about this topic that compelled me to respond due to the honest question by a parent who lives near the new Delridge park location:

Hello,

I live in Delridge 3 blocks from the park. My son is 9 years old, goes to Pathfinder School. There are lots of young boys and girls in the “hood”.

I own a local Bicycle Repair shop.

I support ANYTHING for kids. Our shop is not into Skateboards or BMX bikes much. We do love to fix bikes, but leave the boards to Stu at Alki or online.

One of my employees, Max, is really into BMX street. He says that boarders and bikers are compatable. He also says that newer plastic bike parts (pegs and pedals, spoke guards, chainring guards, etc.) are skate park friendly and don’t damage the park.

So I was wondering why Skaters and BMX riders don’t join forces? Kids these days are pretty cool and I know they would take turns and show respect.
I don’t see a conflict. I also often wonder why it is painted “No Bikes” on the Marginal Way “park”.

Here is my response:

Hi (name withheld),

Thanks for asking this question. I get emails about this all the time but they are usually in the form of nasty hate mail from bikers.

There are definitely some parks that seem to have found a happy medium between bike and skateboard use in the same park. Those communities should be applauded for making it work. Maintenance and park damage is a concern, but in Seattle and in the majority of skateparks, mixed use simply does not work for one primary reason: we don’t have enough skateparks in Seattle so they’re always very crowded, which makes riding bikes in skateparks dangerous for skateboarders.

There has been a ton of discussion on this topic amongst skatepark advocates in Seattle and elsewhere on the internet. Skateboarders do not hate bikers or anything like that. In fact, many skateboarders are cyclists as well. We’ve had forums in the SPAC meetings that have addressed this issue, with BMX riders involved, and the outcome has always been until we have enough facilities for the underserved skateboarding population in Seattle, the parks will be too crowded for mixed use creating a dangerous confluence of lines and riding styles within the park, and therefore bikes should not be allowed.

All one has to do is go to Lower Woodland skatepark on a day when there are 10 BMX riders disobeying the “no bikes” rule. What they will see is younger and less experienced skaters leaving the park immediately, and the more experienced skaters shifting over to the one advanced bowl that the bikers seem to not want to use. The skateboarders of Seattle fought hard for four years to get that park built, only to then be displaced by 10 BMX riders who were not around during the tough times of getting over the political and bureaucratic hurdles in order to make that skatepark a reality.

To make things worse, when the park is full of skaters and the bikers show up making things sketchy for skaters, they don’t respond well to being asked to respect the rules and leave. In fact, they’ve been real dicks about it on almost every occasion.

This is not to say that I haven’t skated at Lower Woodland and at other skateparks harmoniously with bikers. It works well when the bikers are aware of the issues, respectful of everyone else in the park, and have enough common sense to stop riding if it gets too crowded and they become a safety threat to the other users of the park. Unfortunately these riders are the minority in Seattle skateparks.

Below, I’ve attached a link to what I think is a really sane and balanced view on mixed use and how it can work, or when it doesn’t. Personally, I would really like to see the BMX riders in Seattle get a place of their own, but despite the encouragement and countless offers from the SPAC to help them get organized, no bikers have stepped up to get their hands dirty and do the work that’s required. It seems as though they just want to ride the coattails of the skateboards in Seattle and continue to displace skaters in the parks that skaters worked so hard to get.

Check out this SPS Article on mixed use skateparks.

Hopefully we can get to a place in Seattle where mixed use can become a reality, but it’s going to take a lot more effort from the BMX riders to make it happen in my opinion.

MLJ

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This month’s SPAC meeting was plagued with an unusual amount of good news.  I’m not sure how to handle it.

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Minutes
Skateboard Park Advisory Committee
November 9, 2009

Committee Members Present: Ryan Barth, Matthew Lee Johnston, Kristen Ebelinger, Scott Shinn
Guests: Tony Davies, Patrick Sand (West Seattle Blog) & Intern, Nancy Chang, Joel Wood, Ben Butler
Staff: Kelly Davidson

The meeting began at 7:05

Approval of Agenda
The agenda was amended to include discussion of the Jefferson Skatepark.

Public Comments
There were no public comments.

Delridge Skatepark
Kelly reviewed the status of the project, including the conceptual designs from the final design meeting. Discussion ensued regarding the dimensions of the bowls, amount of vert in the egg bowl, direction of the egg bowl to facilitate maximum winter sunlight, displacement of the miniramp feature, addition of the shallow end in the flow bowl, expected number of concurrent users, grade of the flow bowl, durability of brick coping, adding pool coping in various sections of the flow bowl, drainage issues, types of rails, types of benches, placement of stairs and traffic line issues, divider between existing wading pool and the skatepark, expected longevity of mural art, graffiti walls, and likelihood of flying boards between bowls. Ryan and Matt will continue working to collect final input on the skatepark features. Kelly will continue working with Grindline toward the 65% construction documents. The deadline to comment on the final design is Nov 20th. These comments will be reviewed with the design team on Nov 23rd, before 65% construction documents are completed. Micah confirmed via phone that the deep end of the egg bowl will be 9’ with a foot of vert, that the flow bowl has a combination of 3’, 5’ and 7’ without vert, that the flow bowl might have aggregate coping instead of brick, and that the current stair placement is required by the adjacent tree drip line.

Dahl Playfield Skatespot
Kelly reported that the skatespot is under construction, with grading in place and one more construction meeting before concrete pours will begin.

SeaSk8 Update
Nancy reported that the lighting is adequate for night skating in some sections of the park. Kristen reported that the skating surface is smooth again following removal of the graffiti product, that security is working to reduce bike use of the skatepark.

River City
Ryan reported that ground has been broken at the skatepark.

Lower Woodland
Ryan reported that Opportunity Fund money would be helpful to provide lights in the skatepark, and that it is inequitable for other adjacent facilities to have lights.

Northgate Redevelopment
Scott has been corresponding with Patrick Donohue regarding the expected budget for the Hubbard Homestead Park and if it will support the skatespot proposed during the initial project planning process. The recession has produced a trend toward lower construction bids, which has opened up an opportunity for this 6000 to 8000 square foot skatespot to be built. Patrick is expecting to establish a design contract Newline. Scott will continue following the process.

John and Summit
Kelly reported that Grindline is still working to provide a construction estimate, and that the 95% review by the ProTech is in process.

Jefferson
Kelly reported that an initial planning document is under review by the ProView process, that $1 million has been allocated to the park project for use in 2011, and that an initial planning meeting will be held on December 1st. Andy Sheffer is the project manager.

SLAG
Kristen reported that the SLAG office was recently broken into, that the New York tour was great, that a variety of winter programs are running at Inner Space and Skatebarn, that the Wheels of Fortune Part Deux will occur, that a variety of lessons and clinics will occur this summer, that the Night Shift is happening on Mondays to help build a better Seattle skate community and promote clinics.

Adjournment
The meeting adjourned at 8:10.

The next SPAC meeting will occur on Monday, January 11th, 2010.

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It looks like someone forgot to eat breakfast before sitting down in front of Rhino.  At least throw in one of those SeaSk8 bacon strips guys!

Grindline took all of the feedback they gathered from the last meeting, and came up with these delicious new renderings.  Our folks at Parks tell us that these have been vetted through the initial layer of review with the Parks internal design folks, and may only need minor revisions.  Possible problems include the cantilevered slabs (safety), and some minor grading issues.

Features/changes of note include:

  • the deathbox/gap theme
  • the removal of the cool mini-ramp feature to the West of the bowl section
  • the bowl being split into two
  • the missing brick-stamped transition wall around the tree
  • the apparent solution to the “which way to bend the kidney” problem
  • the return of the Bainbridge shallow end (minus the pool block)

The SPAC meeting this Monday will serve as a de-facto feedback session on this new iteration of the design. Feel free to show up to the meeting and provide your input directly, or post it here in the comments section and I will deliver it for you.

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The next scheduled meeting for the Seattle Parks and Recreation Skate Park Advisory Committee (SPAC) will be next Monday November 9.  The meeting will be in the usual location in the Parks and Recreation Building located at 100 Dexter North, Seattle, WA 98109.  The current draft of the meeting agenda is pasted below.  Hope to see you there.

Please note that Parks has just received the Delridge Skatepark revised design package from Grindline Skateparks based on the input received during the last public meeting for this skatepark.  This will be your first chance to review the revised design and provide additional comments.  The SPAC will work with Parks to distribute this design to the community if you cannot make the meeting.


Skate Park Advisory Committee Meeting Agenda – November 9, 2009*Meeting will begin @ 7pm sharp*

1. Approval of Agenda

2. Public Comments (limited to 2 minutes per individual)

3. Delridge Skatepark – Revised Design Review and Comments

4. Dahl Playfield Skate Dot Update

5. SeaSk8 Update

6. River City Status

7. Lower Woodland – Lights?

8. Northgate Redevelopment Update

9. John and Summit Skate Dot Update

10. SLAG Update

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